Saturday, January 07, 2012

Can The Pac-12 Be A One-Big League?

Oregon 78, Stanford 67
Oregon St 92, California 85
Utah 62, Washington State 60
Arizona State 62, USC 53
Colorado 87, Washington 69
UCLA 65, Arizona 58

I'm going to break my usual format to talk about a truly horrid night that the Pac-12 had on Thursday. All 12 teams were in action, and the inferior team won all six games. If you wanted to draw up a path to a one-bid BCS league, this would be the night you'd come up with. So it made me talk on twitter a bit, and wonder offline, is it really possible that the Pac-12 could be a one-bid league?

First of all, there has never been a one-bid BCS league in the 64/65/68 team NCAA Tournament era. The worst seeds that any conference has received belong to the 1985/86 Pac-10 conference, which earned a 9 seed and a 12 seed. The only other BCS league to only receive two bids was the 2009-10 Pac-10 team, which earned an 8 and 11 seed.

Sadly, the advanced computer ratings only go back about a decade, so we can't look back at that 1985-86 Pac-10 league. But we can look at the Pac-10 team from two years ago. One thing that stands out to me immediately is that as bad as the conference was, it was still the sixth rated conference in both Sagarin and Pomeroy. In fact, the only time in the past decade that the six BCS conference weren't the six highest rated conferences was the 2003-04 season, when the Pac-10 finished 9th in both the Sagarin and Pomeroy ratings. This season, so far, the Pac-12 is rated 7th by Pomeroy and 8th by Sagarin.

But the reality is that, despite what many people think, NCAA Tournament bids aren't doled out to conferences, but to teams. Two years ago when the Pac-12 got two Tournament teams, the lower rated Atlantic Ten earned three and the even-lower rated Mountain West earned four. Why? Because those conferences had several teams that did damage out-of-conference and had nice conference records, and that was enough to earn a bid despite the weakness of some of their conference foes. The same was true with the 2003-04 Pac-10, which earned three bids because Arizona won a couple of nice games in their non-conference slate and then held on with an 11-7 conference record. Stanford, at 17-1, couldn't get left out. Washington was the dicey team, at 12-6 and without any big non-conference wins. They did get a quality win over Stanford, though, and swept Arizona, and then ran all the way to the Pac-10 title game where they played a competitive game again versus Stanford. Those sorts of quality wins won't be available in this year's Pac-12.

Very good conference records will still put these Pac-12 teams in the Tournament. Stanford, California, Arizona and possibly others will likely be NCAA Tournament teams if they can get to 12-6 or better. But that's why Thursday night was such a disaster: All the wrong teams won. A team like Utah isn't going to the NCAA Tournament no matter what. Any game Utah wins in conference play is bad for the conference's Tournament hopes.

So obviously we've got a long way to go. Stanford and Cal could each still go 13-5 and be Tournament locks on Selection Sunday. But they might not. Let's do a quick breakdown:

Stanford and Cal have the two strongest non-conference resumes. Stanford beat NC State and Oklahoma State, and had just one iffy loss (Butler). Assuming they avoid any losses to the real bottom-feeders (Utah, Arizona State and maybe USC), they should make the NCAA Tournament if they can get to 12-6. California had no big wins (their best win was either the one over Georgia, Denver or UCSB) but they had no bad losses either. Assuming they can avoid any really bad losses, they also should be in good shape if they can get to 12-6 in conference play.

Arizona was the team I picked preseason to win the Pac-12, and they're still the team I think is most talented. But they've had bad luck in close games (they took Florida to overtime and took San Diego State down to the final seconds, but lost both), and so they're going to end up without any big wins on Selection Sunday. They entered Pac-12 play with only a 9-4 record, which means that even a 12-6 finish would make them 21-10 and would put them on the Tournament bubble. They'd probably have to win at least one game in the Pac-12 tournament.

The other teams that could realistically make a run at an at-large bid? I'd include both Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State and UCLA, in no particular order. Though in all cases I think a 12-6 record is the bare minimum to have a realistic shot at an at-large bid.

And since I've said all that, I'll point out that (naturally) the team winning the conference, and the only team still undefeated in Pac-12 play, is a Colorado team that went 7-4 against Division I teams out-of-conference, with zero quality wins and bad losses to Maryland, Wyoming and Colorado State. Even if they get to 12-6, Colorado would still need a win or two in the Pac-12 tournament to have a chance at a bid.

So if California and Stanford somehow only finish 11-7, and if no more than one team finishes better than 12-6? Yes, a single NCAA Tournament bid would absolutely be very realistic. And if the conference wants to point to a single dreadful night that created that embarrassment? Thursday, January 5th would have to be near the top of the list.

8 comments:

zach said...

So would it be better or worse for the conference if Utah and Arizona St were better? (In terms of the conference getting bids) Say Utah was a 5 conference win team to a 5 instead of 1 or 2, and also therefore had an equally better nonconference resume. Would the better resume for the bottom feeders make up for more losses to them?

I'm intrigued by the idea that awfulness might in some ways be good for a conference.

zach said...

I'm bad at editing it seems. Ignore 'to a 5'

Jeff said...

It's definitely better for the conference if Utah and Arizona State lose every game against every other Pac-12 team. Those teams played so poorly in the non-conference that every game they win in Pac-12 play will hurt the conference rating and will hurt the resume of a team that will potentially be fighting for a Tournament bid.

Tom said...

I posted this on another site regarding Arizona, in comparison to Cal's 2009-2010 campaign. Am I off base?

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I decided to look at Cal's resume from two years ago when they won the Pac-10 regular season title and got an 8 seed in what was a two-bid conference (which could easily have been one if not for UW winning the P-10 tourney).

Cal went:

23-10 overall
13-5 in conference
RPI 20
SOS 15
1-6 vs. the RPI top 50
5-1 vs. the RPI 51-100
3 losses to RPI 101+ teams
1 road win vs. the top 100
0 road wins vs. the top 50

Now, that year Cal lost in the non-conference to Syracuse, Ohio State, New Mexico and Kansas - which appears to be the only reason their SOS & RPI were respectable. Fast forward to today, Arizona has lost to 4 very good teams, though they're not as good as the 4 Cal lost to that year.

My point is, Cal got an 8 seed without doing much of anything other than beating bad teams, losing to good ones and winning a weak conference (sound familiar?). They even had 3 bad losses and their only top 50 win was at home in conference (#41 Washington, road warriors they are). Yet, by winning 13 Pac-10 games and the regular season championship they earned an 8 seed (somewhere between the #29 and 32nd best team according to how the committee seeded them). Thus they weren't even remotely close to being a bubble team, despite not doing much.

We'll have a harder time getting impressive computer numbers, which will hurt. But aside from that, there's really no difference between that Cal team and if Arizona were to win the Pac-12 at 13-5 or 14-4 this year. Judging by this example, it might not be as bad as it seems. My only worry in looking at this is Cal LOST to better teams than we did, and thus their numbers were inflated.

Jeff said...

It's a pretty good comparison. And, yes, Arizona will be in good shape if they go 13-5 or 14-4. The hard part will be getting there. Upsets all over the place in the Pac-12 this season.

Remember, both Cal and Washington were playing really well at the tail end of that 2009-10 season. I named both as potential Cinderellas, and both acquitted themselves well when the games were finally played.

Arizona has the talent to be that good, but they haven't shown it in a game yet.

Tom said...

Of course. It's not a given to reach 13 or 14 wins. My hope is that UofA will sweep at home like last year and split their road trips to reach that 13 or 14 win mark, but the way they played against UCLA leaves me no confidence they even beat USC tomorrow.

CSUramsfan said...

Is losing by one point in a rivalry game on the road to a top fifty RPI team from the Mountain West really a bad loss?

I am referring to the Colorado/Colorado State game. While I doubt Colorado will get a bid this year, I do not think they are as bad as you are making them out to be.

I also think Colorado State has some potential to be a potential dark horse bid snatcher ... I certainly do not expect us to finish outside the RPI top hundred.

Jeff said...

The loss to Colorado State is the least bad of those losses I listed, but it could end up being an RPI 100+ loss depending on how Colorado State plays the rest of the way.

As you said, Colorado State could get to the point that they make a run at an at-large bid. It could go either way.

But Colorado is outside the Top 100 in both the Pomeroy and Sagarin PREDICTOR ratings. They're not a horrible team, but it's embarrassing that they're a game clear in the Pac-12.