Sunday, January 15, 2012

W-8 BP68

The big change to my bracket projections once we hit January 15th is that I transition to the Full Bubble. What this means is that I will list every team with a "mathematical chance" of an at-large bid. It means listing a bunch of teams that seem to have no plausible chance at an at-large bid, simply because they could theoretically get onto the bubble if they went on a big winning streak. No teams will be added to the bubble the rest of the season. With each new bracket, teams will be eliminated from at-large contention until we get to Selection Sunday, when the bubble will be down to just a handful of teams.

In the past, some readers have thought that the "pretty much need a miracle" category is stupid, since most of the teams have no real chance. If you don't like it, ignore it. I like the idea of not adding any teams to the bubble, and only eliminating. It's my website, after all.

We had a lot of interesting results this past week. There is always a lot of carnage when teams go on their first road trips in conference play, particularly since so many top teams play nearly all of their non-conference games at home. So because of the action, I had four changes to the Field of 68. Cincinnati moved firmly into the Tournament and Pittsburgh dropped out. Meanwhile, Mississippi State edged into the last spot in the field, replacing a Virginia Tech team that is now my first team out. Among the automatic bids, New Mexico State replaced Utah State as my pick to win the WAC's auto bid. In the Southland, I moved Texas-Arlington into the NCAA Tournament and dropped Lamar out.

Remember, as always, that if I projected your favorite team below where you think it deserves to be, it's because I hate your favorite team.

As a more serious reminder: this is a projection of the final bracket on Selection Sunday, and not a listing of how I think teams would be seeded if the season ended now. There's a difference. Here we go:


1. KENTUCKY (SEC)
1. SYRACUSE (BIG EAST)
1. NORTH CAROLINA (ACC)
1. OHIO STATE (BIG TEN)

2. KANSAS (BIG 12)
2. Duke
2. Florida
2. Georgetown

3. Texas
3. UNLV (MWC)
3. Indiana
3. Baylor

4. Marquette
4. UConn
4. Alabama
4. Missouri

5. TEMPLE (ATLANTIC TEN)
5. Michigan State
5. Vanderbilt
5. Wisconsin

6. Louisville
6. GONZAGA (WCC)
6. Saint Louis
6. Michigan

7. Virginia
7. BYU
7. New Mexico
7. Purdue

8. West Virginia
8. Kansas State
8. San Diego State
8. CREIGHTON (MVC)

9. Illinois
9. Saint Mary's
9. Xavier
9. Wichita State

10. MEMPHIS (CONFERENCE USA)
10. Florida State
10. Seton Hall
10. Stanford

11. ARIZONA (PAC-12)
11. Southern Miss
11. Northwestern
11. Cincinnati

12. HARVARD (IVY)
12. Dayton
12. California
12. Northern Iowa
12. Mississippi State
12. MURRAY STATE (OVC)

13. LONG BEACH STATE (BIG WEST)
13. BELMONT (ATLANTIC SUN)
13. IONA (MAAC)
13. BUTLER (HORIZON)

14. OHIO (MAC)
14. ORAL ROBERTS (SUMMIT)
14. NEW MEXICO STATE (WAC)
14. GEORGE MASON (COLONIAL)

15. MIDDLE TENNESSEE ST (SUN BELT)
15. ROBERT MORRIS (NEC)
15. DAVIDSON (SOUTHERN)
15. BUCKNELL (PATRIOT)

16. MONTANA (BIG SKY)
16. COASTAL CAROLINA (BIG SOUTH)
16. VERMONT (AMERICA EAST)
16. TEXAS-ARLINGTON (SOUTHLAND)
16. MORGAN STATE (MEAC)
16. ALABAMA STATE (SWAC)

Teams seriously considered that just missed the cut:
NC State, Virginia Tech, St. Joseph's, Pittsburgh, Minnesota, Iowa State, Oklahoma, Marshall, Cleveland State, Missouri State

Decent resumes, but not good enough:
Miami (Fl), Notre Dame, South Florida, Iowa, Oklahoma State, Texas A&M, VCU, Georgia State, Central Florida, Illinois State, Colorado State, Wyoming, Colorado, Oregon, Washington, Arkansas, LSU, Mississippi, Nevada

Long shots, but still in the at-large discussion:
Clemson, Georgia Tech, Maryland, Duquesne, La Salle, UMass, Richmond, St. Bonaventure, Providence, Rutgers, Villanova, Weber State, Nebraska, Penn State, Drexel, Tulane, UW-Milwaukee, Akron, Kent State, Indiana State, Boise State, UCLA, Oregon State, Washington State, Auburn, Tennessee, Denver, Utah State

Still alive, but pretty much need a miracle:
Boston College, Wake Forest, Charlotte, Fordham, George Washington, DePaul, St. John's, Texas Tech, Old Dominion, Rice, UTEP, Tulsa, Valparaiso, Loyola-Maryland, Ball State, Buffalo, Norfolk State, Drake, Air Force, TCU, Wagner, Lehigh, Georgia, South Carolina, Charleston, North Dakota State, South Dakota State

9 comments:

Anonymous said...

Let me get this straight. Cleveland State is sitting at 15-3 and 5-1 in conference, Butler is sitting at 9-9 and 3-3 in conference, and Cleveland State just won at Butler. Somehow, you not only think Butler is the favorite to win the league, you also think they'll be ahead of 14 other teams on the S-curve? I've watched Butler plenty this year. Brad Stevens is an amazing coach, but they just don't have the horses to challenge for the conference this year.

I guess what happens on the court doesn't mean anything to you. Otherwise, I don't get it.

Jeff said...

I actually haven't watched a college basketball game all season long - nothing on the court matters to me...



.... In all seriousness, besides the fact that I've discussed the Butler issue plenty on this site the past month, you should realize that I went through this exact same thing last season. Here is one example.

Everybody buried Butler last year, and said I was ridiculous for keeping them as the favorite. But we've seen time and time again that these December and January games mean much more for Butler's opponents than for Butler. I need more evidence before I'll believe that Butler won't be better when they are matching the intensity of their opponents in March.

There were some legitimate concerns with Butler's offense early in the season. If you click on the Butler tag on the left side of the blog you'll see me talking about that very issue several times. But I think they've started to fix that - they have changed their personnel combinations, and Brad Stevens is getting the ball out of the hands of his most inefficient players and into the hands of players with higher ceilings. So for now, I'm sticking with Butler as the Horizon tournament favorite.

CSUramsfan said...

I see you still have Murray State as a twelve. Are you expecting them to lose several times in conference, or do they really have such a low ceiling? I would guess a one loss Racers team gets a seven seed and a two loss team around a nine/ten. What are your thoughts?

Also, I must stick up for my Rams ... how are we on the same bubble line as Wyoming? Wyoming has a terrible loss, Wisconsin Green Bay I believe, and otherwise has not played anyone of note and has an RPI outside the top hundred. They also lost head to head against a decent Denver team that we beat. CSU, while failing to score any big wins, has at least played a bunch of quality teams and taken care of business against everyone else.

Jeff said...

Well, taking those in reverse order, I actually did have Wyoming one line lower when I was getting ready to publish this. But at the last moment I decided that Wyoming's resume was a lot closer to the teams in the second category than the third category and moved them up. I do agree with you that Colorado State is in a better position to make a run at an at-large bid than Wyoming... it's just the nature of trying to divide up 100 teams into four groups.

As for Murray State, I do think they're going to lose at least one game. If they can somehow go undefeated all the way to Selection Sunday then the novelty of it all will give them a relatively high seed, perhaps as high as a 6 or 7 seed. But even a single loss will puncture that bubble and put them most likely in the 10-12 seed range. Their schedule is just so soft.

Remember, the odds of Murray State going undefeated are pretty small. Pomeroy gives them a 37% chance and Sagarin gives them a 40% chance, but neither of those probabilities include a Bracket Busters game or the OVC tournament. Throwing those in lowers the probability closer to 20%. And considering all the psychological issues that surround teams trying to go undefeated, all the national attention, and the way that every team in the OVC is going to treat their Murray State game as their own little Super Bowl... I'd say that their odds of losing twice are a lot higher than their odds of going undefeated. And that's why I have them where I do.

CSUramsfan said...

How does Murray State compare to the 8 seed George Washington team from 06? I cannot remember the schedule GW faced that year offhand.

I know Murray State plays in a terrible conference, but wins vs. Southern Miss, Dayton, and at Memphis will still help the team pass the eyeball test with the committee that teams like Belmont last year failed, right?

Jeff said...

That George Washington team only lost two games and was in a far superior conference. Both of their losses were quality losses (as opposed to any loss that Murray State would have in their conference) and George Washington beat five different teams in the RPI Top 100, including St. Joe's twice (they were 39th) and Maryland (51st)

A two-loss Murray State team wouldn't even be close to that. With one loss for Murray State coming in a Bracket Busters game (i.e. zero losses to OVC teams) then you can make the argument for Murray State being up in that 8 or 9 seed range... maybe.

CSUramsfan said...

Thanks for the information on George Washington. I can definitely see your point on them falling pretty quickly if they lose anything other than the Bracketbuster game.

Anonymous said...

You finally drop Texas but I think having them as a 3 is even worse than having them as a 2. They're not winning the Big 12 bro. If they make it, and that's a big "if" in itself, they are a 7-10 seed, they don't even sniff a six seed.

Jeff said...

Cool, bro.