tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22972768.post3745333162751612726..comments2023-09-01T06:51:04.030-04:00Comments on Basketball Predictions: We Knew Memphis Fans Were Sensitive...Jeffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12767101715737129123noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22972768.post-50884778341198617242009-04-30T15:14:00.000-04:002009-04-30T15:14:00.000-04:00Pride goeth before a fall.
Just admitting you wer...Pride goeth before a fall.<br /><br />Just admitting you were overly presumptuous, OR ill-informed, OR that you got some bad info, OR even that you were <I>wrong</I> wouldn't have been the end of the world when a few people called you out.<br /><br />Now you've dug your heels in pretty deep. That's rhetorically dangerous when purporting to have knowledge about a situation with which you have absolutely no real connection.<br /><br />I guess we will see who is correct.<br /><br />In any case, memphistigers.org is a moderated forum, despite the fact that you say "the board is not moderated." In fact, the moderators run a pretty tight ship over there. They just don't feel the need to protect the feelings of thin-skinned bloggers.<br /><br />Just another factual inaccuracy to add to the pile. :)NJ1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22972768.post-50793014647764249982009-04-30T14:51:00.000-04:002009-04-30T14:51:00.000-04:00Just to be clear Jeff. Most of the mt.org types a...Just to be clear Jeff. Most of the mt.org types are mad b/c you didn't provide links/proof on your claims, but then wanted the comment writers to provide said links to refute.<br /><br />Why should posters be held to a standard that the original blogger fails to recognize? A poster asked for your links and you had the audacity to tell him you didn't remember every link on the internet. <br /><br />You don't get to ask for standards you don't yourself follow. That's hypocrisy...<br /><br />As far as your predictions. I have no issue. These are obviously an opinion and one you are entitled to.sundanceuiucnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22972768.post-26217397410689309842009-04-30T01:22:00.000-04:002009-04-30T01:22:00.000-04:00"You really think that Virginia Tech wouldn't win ..."You really think that Virginia Tech wouldn't win 30 games a year playing out of Conference USA?" Man, every time we start talking about Memphis basketball somebody goes and pulls a Virginia Tech out their a$$.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22972768.post-11727312450998193032009-04-29T23:42:00.000-04:002009-04-29T23:42:00.000-04:00Jeff,
I'm with you and this is my 2010 Final Four...Jeff,<br /><br />I'm with you and this is my 2010 Final Four: Gonzaga, Xavier, Butler , and of course Baylor. I also plan to keep an eye on Creighton. But I think Xavier will win it all. I'm tired of being a Duke Vitale and picking Duke or North Carolina every year.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22972768.post-46317391756248930812009-04-29T23:10:00.000-04:002009-04-29T23:10:00.000-04:00Come on, is this Doug "Credit Card" Gottlieb?Come on, is this Doug "Credit Card" Gottlieb?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22972768.post-88535818826156854152009-04-29T13:52:00.000-04:002009-04-29T13:52:00.000-04:00Jeff,
"It also appears that Roburt Sallie and Wes...Jeff,<br /><br />"It also appears that Roburt Sallie and Wesley Witherspoon are going to head to Kentucky, although that's not certain. It's extremely unlikely that either player will return to Memphis for another season, though. So who does that leave"<br /><br />What part of that says you've seen rumors. You are stating an opinion that you are claiming as fact. Fact, it is extremely likely both players will be back.<br /><br />Fact, the original article and your subsequent comments are based mostly on opinion.<br /><br />Fact, you know very little about the current and historic basketball situation at Memphis.<br /><br />Fact, CUSA teams beat BCS schools every year. Not sure how that happens since it's so easy for a mediocre BCS school (VT) to win 30 games in CUSA. <br /><br />In the words of the great Charles, "you're a knucklehead jeff, a knucklehead."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22972768.post-49224237440270173392009-04-29T02:32:00.000-04:002009-04-29T02:32:00.000-04:00Thank you, anonymous from 12:16 am. I was trying t...Thank you, anonymous from 12:16 am. I was trying to say the same thing yesterday to the Memphis fans who were going crazy trying to explain to Jeff that his facts were not only suspect, but utterly disprovable. And to make matters worse, Jeff was unwilling to back down in the face of irrefutable evidence provided by those "sensitive" fans.<br />Despite not using ANY foul language, nor personally attacking Jeff in any vicious way, my post was deleted by the moderator. I am stumped by that.<br />So, Jeff, I am appealing to you directly. Please call off your moderator dogs and let me be heard. We are not loonies down here. We are not a random Wichita State fan. The reason you have gotten such an angry response is because your facts so obviously wrong, and not just one mistake, but an entire article based on erroneous information, that yes, you DID step on our nerves. Quite a bit, obviously. We are a proud program that gets tired of having our every accomplishment belittled by the BCS homers, such as ESPN. We feel that we deserve a LOT more respect than we get. We REALLY do.<br />For you to say wildy unsubstantiated things like possibly having only 5 guys left is irresponsible reporting to us, to put it mildly. And it's completely false. But you steadfastly refuse to back off and admit that, despite the overwhelming evidence that we have provided to you to refute that. That makes a lot of us otherwise staid and normal people very upset.<br />Sure, we are taking a step back in our program. That is a fact that we recognize. But we are not, nor have we ever been a Butler, Xavier, or Gonzaga level program...not that I belittle these programs- not at all. In fact, Gonzaga and Xavier are making huge strides to be labled in the same class as us, and Butler is showing signs of possibly becoming a program that may be comparable in the future, if they stick to their blueprint. As soon as these programs get multiple final four appearances, over a span of decades, then I will willingly admit that they are on our level.<br />Yes, Jeff, we are sensitive. Sensitive to being disrespected for our accomplishments. And we DO deserve that respect, despite what you, or any other "expert" thinks. That is how we feel- what we honestly believe. Sorry to upset you so much.<br />We have a delicate situation going on with our storied program right now. Our new coach is young and unproven, despite the incredibly positive vibes we feel about his potential, and a return to real ethics and honest recruiting practices in our program that we have conveniently turned the other cheek to the past 9 years...not that slick Cal ever made a mistake that would get him caught- he's far too smart for that. I hope for Kentucky's sake that he never makes a slip in the future with his "underworld" of connections.<br />But we are trying to pull in some decent recruits to shore up our depth behind a very good starting lineup, and your baseless ramblings not only do not help us in that regard, but show that you really do not respect our program in any way whatsoever, and honestly, we have earned that respect.<br />That makes us angry.<br />Have a nice day!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22972768.post-13997869518009888902009-04-29T02:25:00.000-04:002009-04-29T02:25:00.000-04:00The only reason I am responding to this is because...The only reason I am responding to this is because it is pure conjecture and Dan Wolkens site provided a link to it or I wouldn't have ever read it. I typically go elsewhere for my sports news because anyone with the internet can blog. There are a couple of things that I wanted to share with you Jeff. First, you keep pointing out that you "have said it ten times" that if we had paid attention to your posts and not the posts of angry Memphis fans then we would somehow see the light, or whatever. Jeff, I've read everything that you've had to say and the premise of your "article" is invalid because it's entirely based on rumor. You need to swallow your pride and admit to the angry mob that you based everything on rumor and opinion. We are angry because we you fancy yourself an authority on the subject when you are so obviously uninformed. You have the right to post whatever you want to post but we also have the right to respond to you and it may not be pretty. It appears as though you wrote this article to infuriate tiger fans and get a response at this point. I can find no other reason other than pride as to why you haven't just admitted this was basically fiction. If you worked for the AP you would have to issue an apology at this point. Instead, you decide you are now a psychiatrist and Memphis fans are "just sensitve." No, you just wrote hopefully the dumbest blog of your blogging career and are getting quite the blowback from it and are making excuses. Let me ask you this; why would any player with a guaranteed starting role decide to sit out a year to transfer to another school? None of the players you mentioned with the exception of<br />Taggart and Mack were starters on last years team. Expecting them to leave and pass up this opportunity is a stretch. All players involved have said they are staying and it was totally unprompted, meaning they had no motive to tell anyone this via facebook or a press conference. So the calling of BS has very little to do with sensitivity and a lot to do with making false claims and then refusing to back them up. The Butler, Xavier, Gonzaga comparison was hilarious. What is your motive for writing this nonsense?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22972768.post-35823192426107219012009-04-29T00:16:00.000-04:002009-04-29T00:16:00.000-04:00I can't believe any of you folks are even gracing ...I can't believe any of you folks are even gracing this guy with a response. You all know this is just a blog board where anyone from a 10 year old school kid to my Grandma can come on here and throw something up and call it a story. I am sure this Jeff guy took a long time thinking up this entry, but it is no more a story than what I am writing now. It is just his opinion that was totally formed in his head (notice the lack of any sources or evidence) Everyone please stick to the legit news sources for your info If you are trying to get credible information. These blog boards are a total waste of time and all they do is get people worried about nothing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22972768.post-18738151817231370182009-04-28T22:10:00.000-04:002009-04-28T22:10:00.000-04:00I type many thousands and thousands of sentences p...I type many thousands and thousands of sentences per month. Occasionally a few of them end up being incorrect. If any of your Memphis fans were regular readers you would understand the normal way to deal with this.<br /><br />Go read <A HREF="http://basketballpredictions.blogspot.com/2009/04/baylor-goes-scavenging-finds-gold.html" REL="nofollow">here</A>, where I made a mistake about a Baylor player who I believed had one year of eligibility left but who actually had graduated. A Baylor fan (presumably a Baylor fan) came on and corrected me politely. This is way this is supposed to work. We are all trying to learn from each other.<br /><br />The vicious response from dozens of Memphis fans, coming on here and calling me all sorts of nasty names (the worst have all been deleted, for good reason) is preposterous.<br /><br />The angriest response I've ever gotten from fans came back in 2006 when Wichita State was ranked 8th in the nation and I refused to give them anything higher than a 6 seed in my bracket. Wichita State fans were furious with me, and it was the only time I ever had to turn on comment moderation. But that was mostly just one deranged fan. As for a whole large group of people, this behavior out of you Memphis fans is worse.<br /><br />Of course I will be proven right in this situation, as I was proven right when Wichita State fell apart in early 2007. But that's when fans get so mad - when I accidentally touch on an issue that they fear might be right but they're afraid to admit.<br /><br />Memphis fans are really scared about the future, and this angry response to anybody who dares challenge anything about the program is indicative of this. You guys never would have flipped out about something like this last season, because you were confident in your program back then.<br /><br />But don't take it out on me. I've been projecting Memphis to still win the conference - something that a lot of people around the country aren't doing. Don't alienate one of the bloggers who is actually more bullish than average about your program.Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12767101715737129123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22972768.post-55852014110770571922009-04-28T21:54:00.000-04:002009-04-28T21:54:00.000-04:00"It also appears that Roburt Sallie and Wesley Wit..."It also appears that Roburt Sallie and Wesley Witherspoon are going to head to Kentucky, although that's not certain. It's extremely unlikely that either player will return to Memphis for another season, though." Jeff<br /><br />That doesn't sound like a "rumor" to me. It sounds like you have gathered information that would lead you to believe they are either headed to Kentucky or not returning to Memphis. FACT: You don't have any information these are just your own speculative ramblings. There's nothing wrong with that, just be more clear next time distinguishing between speculation and information.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22972768.post-10378512054859831342009-04-28T16:43:00.000-04:002009-04-28T16:43:00.000-04:00You know, I laugh at all these folks and self accl...You know, I laugh at all these folks and self acclaimed 'x?perts' that think Memphis fans shouldn't be fanatics about their team because it's only a cause for the so called "big boys" of college basketball. I laugh at the fact that a blogger would call others homers and idiots because they're questioning his obvious ineptitude to deliver a fact when it's obviously fabrication to get a hit on a blog.<br /><br />No, dude, Memphis are no more sensitive about their Tigers than any other fanatic would be his beloved program. The problem with a lot of you 'x?perts' is that you can't continue to make misinformed statements about a program and not expect informed fans to call you out on your mishaps. Next time you're thinking of making bogus statements try fabricating them about a program that garners no support nor care from its fan base. Oh...I'm sorry because if you did it that way then you wouldn't get any hits on your blogs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22972768.post-27248535781475741072009-04-28T03:06:00.000-04:002009-04-28T03:06:00.000-04:00"And actually, Memphis has a ways to go to be Gonz..."And actually, Memphis has a ways to go to be Gonzaga, Butler and Xavier". Are you kidding me? Memphis plays in a NBA arena and has a top notch practice facility. I've been on the Gonzaga campus and the facilities are not as nice. The Tigers had success in the 90s too. Do you remember Penny Hardaway? Anyway, it sounds like you have an axe to grind. By the way, adding Butler to the comparison made it ridiculous.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22972768.post-45593007908948083352009-04-27T23:15:00.000-04:002009-04-27T23:15:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22972768.post-63407847537152051492009-04-27T22:23:00.000-04:002009-04-27T22:23:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22972768.post-44674458908078018482009-04-27T21:59:00.000-04:002009-04-27T21:59:00.000-04:00If the conference is why Memphis won 30+ games x4 ...If the conference is why Memphis won 30+ games x4 seasons then why didn't Xavier do it, or Butler, or Gonzaga. And it is easy to say all the teams that COULD have done it, but they DIDN'T. Now take your rumors and your suppositions and post them in stone so that we can see how this actually turns out. And one more thing...before Louisville, Cincy, Marquette bolted to the big east, Conference USA had no more respect than it has today. It is bashed now and was bashed then.klouhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02293081040841705791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22972768.post-82766047564658894612009-04-27T21:49:00.000-04:002009-04-27T21:49:00.000-04:00If the conference is why Memphis won 30+ games x4 ...If the conference is why Memphis won 30+ games x4 seasons then why didn't Xavier do it, or Butler, or Gonzaga. And it is easy to say all the teams that COULD have done it, but they DIDN'T. Now take your rumors and your suppositions and post them in stone so that we can see how this actually turns out. And one more thing...before Louisville, Cincy, Marquette bolted to the big east, Conference USA had no more respect than it has today. It is bashed now and was bashed then.klouhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02293081040841705791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22972768.post-52449656476396959802009-04-27T21:40:00.000-04:002009-04-27T21:40:00.000-04:00the reason for the sensitivity, what is said out h...the reason for the sensitivity, what is said out here can have an effect on future recruiting!!! So, don't go trashing our school with rumors to try to steer 5-stars elsewhere!!! Why not ask this question...name the ONLY D1 basketball team that plays all their home games in an NBA arena? MEMPHIS TIGERS!! NBA scouts at every home game....that's what big time players want.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22972768.post-76512765314094358372009-04-27T17:50:00.000-04:002009-04-27T17:50:00.000-04:00I agree with another comment someone made a little...I agree with another comment someone made a little earlier. A far more compelling story than Memphis' supposed demise would be about John Calipari's lack of principles and ethics when he left Memphis. <br /><br />He sat there on Dan Patrick's show and said he hoped everyone who signed with Memphis would stay there, but yet jumped at the chance to sign Dodson and recruited Xavier Henry and Nolan Dennis. <br /><br />Why doesn't someone write about that?memphisgirl4everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07299745363337993470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22972768.post-61787900021327992912009-04-27T17:39:00.000-04:002009-04-27T17:39:00.000-04:00You know, if you google "Wesley Witherspoon&q...You know, if you google "Wesley Witherspoon" and "staying", you get 4,300 results. Either way, it's not a very compelling argument.<br /><br />The smart money says that Tyreke Evans will stay in the draft, Taggart will come back and WW & Sallie will stay put. With Will Coleman signing on and a couple of other recruits, the Tigers will be just fine next season.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22972768.post-66733527519473345032009-04-27T17:22:00.000-04:002009-04-27T17:22:00.000-04:00Dude, I will try to keep it short and sweet. I can...Dude, I will try to keep it short and sweet. I can care less about what others think about the Memphis program per se. However, while it is old news, I find it hard to believe that all the guys who were throwing turds at Cal when he was at Memphis can't find one thing to complain about in the wake of departure. One (the ncaa perhaps or guys like yourself) has to really examine why and how he left Memphis. But, no one has. I suspect that this is the case because no one dare to. Especially not his friends, such as you. Especially not other coaches who have cashed in both literally and figuratively because of his departure. Especially not ESPN and what it means to them. But, as guy we all know once said, "karma has a funny way of making folks remember." Or, as my preacher would say, "God knows . . . what profits a man to gain the world but lose his soul." Or, as my mother would say, "What good is a man that looks a another woman and says I wish ... you had better let him go and wish him the BEST, BUT THAT DON'T MAKE IT RIGHT)"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22972768.post-71850431567308955552009-04-27T17:20:00.000-04:002009-04-27T17:20:00.000-04:00Surprise... Logic has been denied access once agai...Surprise... Logic has been denied access once again.JontheGunhttp://memphistigers.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22972768.post-33457732569362036322009-04-27T17:12:00.000-04:002009-04-27T17:12:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.JontheGunhttp://memphistigers.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22972768.post-14007286940278606672009-04-27T16:22:00.000-04:002009-04-27T16:22:00.000-04:00If Memphis fans seem "sensitive," here's why. For ...If Memphis fans seem "sensitive," here's why. For the past few years, even though our team has proven itself in the NCAA tournament, the Tigers have often been dismissed by the media because of CUSA. During our run to the NC game, sports writers projected us to lose practically every game from the Sweet 16 on. We were predicted to be the weakest number one seed as well as the first one to be eliminated. The rest is history. Much the same the two prior years when we had our runs to the Elite Eight. <br /><br />Memphis has been dissed because of our conference, told our former coach was a crooked snake (until his move to KU, upon which he instantly became a media darling and the best thing to ever happen to college bball), and told our winning records have asterisks next to them. <br /><br />So if it seems that we Memphis fans are a little sensitive, it's probably because we are. But if you think that the reason we object to your blog's predictions is because we secretly believe all those bad things will come to fruition for our progam, you are dead wrong. <br /><br />Reading your blog, it's obvious to me that you know very little or nothing about Memphis basketball or our fans and how much the Tigers have historically meant to the city. <br /><br />You might want to go to the Commercial Appeal and see if you can find any of Geoff Calkin's columns that were written when the whole Calipari-to-KU move transpired and when Josh Pastner was announced as our new coach. They will give you insight into the psyche of Memphis fans and the phenomenom that is TigerNation. Geoff has an understanding and appreciation of the relationship between Tiger bball and its fans. <br /><br />For factual information about what's happening, check out Dan Wolken's articles. For an informed opinion, check out Dan's blog. He's the best.memphisgirl4everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07299745363337993470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22972768.post-23112816931842777692009-04-27T15:13:00.000-04:002009-04-27T15:13:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Ryan P.noreply@blogger.com